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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Arthur Lee
From: Florie Gray
2. Re: Larry Weiss & the Models' "Bend Me, Shape Me"
From: Phil X Milstein
3. "Thank You Boy" by Carter-Lewis
From: Mark Frumento
4. Re: Ivy League
From: John Kirby
5. Re: Bend Me, Shape Me
From: Javed Jafri
6. Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis
From: Lyn Nuttall
7. Re: Jackie, starring in "The Queen"
From: Peter Lerner
8. Larry Weiss's "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
From: Robert Indart
9. shake your thèque
From: Phil X Milstein
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:48:13 -0400
From: Florie Gray
Subject: Arthur Lee
Sorry to report that all those who mentioned that Arthur Lee isn't
doing well and wasn't making his gigs must have been correct. Just
got word that his NYC show in October has been cancelled. Poor guy.
After all he's gone through...I really hope that he can still pull
his life together. Disappointed but not surprised.
Sadly,
Florie
Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
--Samuel Langhorne Clemens
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:50:05 -0000
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: Re: Larry Weiss & the Models' "Bend Me, Shape Me"
Nick Archer wrote:
> At one of the last Spectropop Nashville meetings I played the song
> for the assembled crowd, including Larry Weiss. He said the Models
> were real models who lived in his apartment building. The
> production on the record was original, to say the least. I can play
> to musica if there's room.
I'd love to hear more about this session, if possible. For instance,
it seems unusual for the songwriter to choose the performers, or at
least on a professional (i.e., MGM) date using amateur (i.e. The
Models) performers. Then again, knowing of producer Tom Wilson's
interest in, um, "real models," perhaps we can simply INFER the
story! Still, it'd be great if you could pump Mr. Weiss for some
further details at some point.
Dig,
--Phil M.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:44:05 -0000
From: Mark Frumento
Subject: "Thank You Boy" by Carter-Lewis
In honor of the mention of John and Ken I've posted a nice unreleased
version of "Thank You Boy" to musica. The released version by Dana
Gillespie ended up with a folkie sound, but the demo is decidedly
Spectorish. Check it out.
Mark F.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:50:27 EDT
From: John Kirby
Subject: Re: Ivy League
For those who don't know, Carter, Lewis and Ford (The Ivy League) did the
backing vocals on The Who's first single "I Can't Explain."
JK
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:08:06 -0700
From: Javed Jafri
Subject: Re: Bend Me, Shape Me
Nick Archer" wrote:
> "Bend Me, Shape Me" by The Models, the second recording
> of the Larry Weiss song, is now playing at musica.
Thank you very much, Nick -- a fascinating version of a song I have always
loved. When the download was completed and the song started I thought my
computer had been hit by a virus and had downloaded some industrial group
or some maybe something by Joy Division, but then the familiar lyrics kicked
in and what I heard was a great lost garage rock recording.
Javed
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:45:42 -0000
From: Lyn Nuttall
Subject: Re: John Carter and Ken Lewis
Norm wrote:
> They really are unsung heroes, and their contribution to '60s
> pop has never fully been acknowledged, IMO.
I didn't spell it out in my last post, though I included the link in
there, but when I was writing up 'Knock Knock Who's There', a Carter-
Stephens song covered in Australia, I decided to organise some brief
information and some links about these British songwriters (though
most of them were more than that: they performed, produced, managed,
and probably more). It's at http://poparchives.com.au/feature.php?id=989
(I decided at one stage to call them the Dominant Dozen, but only as
a sort of shorthand, because there never were exactly a dozen on my
list, and the number would be inaccurate, rubbery and probably a bit
short anyway.)
I also mentioned Hiroshi Asada's site, but probably too briefly. He's
made a site about Tony Burrows, the record-breaking British session
singer, but along the way he nicely covers the careers of such
Burrows associates as Roger Cook, Roger Greenaway, Tony Macaulay and
John Carter. The site is called "The Voice of Tony Burrows", at
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/salaryman/asada/burrows.htm He even does a
bit of a Pete Frame, with a family tree at
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/salaryman/asada/tree1.htm
Lyn
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:10:59 +0100
From: Peter Lerner
Subject: Re: Jackie, starring in "The Queen"
Phil M. wrote:
> Another Jackie song, one in which the character appears in the lyric
> but not the title, is the Rip Chords' 1963 raver "The Queen." ...
> Interestingly, the name "Jackie" never appears again after the
> song's first word, although certainly her regal attitude exerts its
> haughty presence throughout. I hope it isn't true, but when the
> song came my way it was accompanied by a rumor that the reference
> was to de lovely Miss DeShannon; perhaps Mr. Lerner or Mr. George
> know more about that.
Richard H. wrote:
> I asked Bruce Johnston what he knew about this......
> It's about Jackie DeShannon who Terry Melcher had been seeing!
Having been asked to comment, I'm afraid I can't confirm or otherwise the
truth of this, but Jackie DeShannon's name has been linked to a number of
male personalities over the years, and why shouldn't she for heaven's sake?
Jackie has often commented on the rampant sexism around in the music
industry in the '60s in the USA and this is an example in its way.
However I've never heard the song and even now a copy is on order via the
good offices of GEMM.
Peter
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:55:31 -0000
From: Robert Indart
Subject: Larry Weiss's "Darling Take Me Back I'm Sorry"
Was it Lenny Welch or Ray Pollard who cut "Darling Take Me Back I'm
Sorry" first? Also, does anybody know if Pollard's version is on CD?
Regards,
Rob
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:18:32 -0800
From: Phil X Milstein
Subject: shake your thèque
Lately I've been reading a fascinating book on the pre-history of
baseball. Among the many early games cited therein as possible baseball
precursors was one from France called thèque. In the course of trying
to trace the lineage of thèque, the author provided a brief explanation
of the etymology of that word, which apparently is mysterious even to
the French. Given its obvious relevance to Spectropop -- and, as well,
for a very surprising etymological relationship -- I thought y'all might
enjoy seeing that information:
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The etymology of the word thèque is about as mixed up as it can be. The
two very old references to the ball game cited in a 17th century Latin
dictionary were linked to the Latin word tudatus, which is a derivative
of the word tundo, meaning "to pound." In an 1849 French-Norman dialect
dictionary, however, the word tèque was defined as "a children's ball
game, stemming from the English word take." And, compounding the
confusion, two 20th century French dictionaries stated that the name of
the game thèque derived from the ancient Scandinavian word tekja. One of
these references said tekja meant butin -- in English, "booty" --
whereas the other equated tekja to lutin, which means "elf" or "goblin."
--from "Baseball Before We Knew It: A Search For The Roots Of The Game,"
by David Block (2005, Univ. of Nebraska Press)
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An S'pop thread on the pronunciation of "discothèque," as screwed up by
Chubby Checker, begins at http://spectropop.com/archive/digest/d1873.htm
Dig,
--Phil M.
--
just added:
"Like A Rolling Stone": 10 versions
"MSR Madness," vol. 5 & 6
http://www.philxmilstein.com/probe
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