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There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. More Chicago 60's rock/Montanas/Tony Hatch/Flowerpots, etc
From: Clark Besch
2. Re: Faux Shangs: Verdelle Smith
From: Mick Patrick
3. RE: Bodie Chandler
From: Mike Edwards
4. Re: Popeye DVD
From: Stratton Bearhart
5. Re: Strawberry Park / Strawberry Vocal Choir
From: Hans Ket
6. Re: Lindsey Buckingham
From: Eddy
7. Re: Bonnie & the Treasures
From: S'pop Team
8. Young Birds Fly
From: Norman
9. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
From: Martin Roberts
10. RE: Freddy Cannon; Buckinghams
From: Mike Edwards
11. Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley
From: Hans Ket
12. Speeding up songs and the Third Booth
From: Clark Besch
13. Re: Chicago scene
From: Bob Rashkow
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 01:36:43 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: More Chicago 60's rock/Montanas/Tony Hatch/Flowerpots, etc
Hey, I really like this Chicago 60's talk. Can we rename this
site "Chicagopop"?? All Chicago all the time? Oh, I guess I cannot
talk about the Montanas then, nevermind.
First, Mr. Spradlin, the "Sugar & Spice" Lp did not run any songs
together, but the other 2 Shames Lps did. In fact, side 2 of
"Synthesis" was all run together ala the LATER released Beatles
"Abbey Road" Lp side and Chicago's "Girl From Buchanon" suite.
It is funny you should bring up Emitt Rhodes "Lullabye"/"Fresh as
a Daisy" comparison. He is one of my alltime fave artists too. It
is sad to see his A&M solo Lp panned by many, as I really love it
second only to the Dunhill debut Lp. He was just interviewed by
TapeOp magazine (http://www.tapeop.com) and (thanks to my neighborhood
buddy Doug Richard, a fellow Spectropoper who has turned me on to so
much great music over the years) Emitt seems to have better memory of
the equipment he used than the classic music he produced!
As for Mike Edwards' answer to getting the NC6 and Shames for $23,
all I can say is "meet your baby where the action is!" I dig Freddy
Cannon too! Wish "Dedication Song" would come out in stereo.
Back on the Buckinghams, certainly the 45 of "Kind of a Drag" is
the most powerful sounding and may soon be on Cd in the mono 45 form
again. For Dave Swanson, if you like their "This is How Much I Love
You", you really need to hear the fuzz guitar and energy behing the
original version from 1967 by Chicago's Exceptions (featuring Pete
Citera, James Vincent, And the song's writer, Marty Grebe). They
titled it "As Far As I Can See". It's B side is cool too--the Brian
Wilson song "Girl From New York City". You can now get the
Exceptions version in stereo on the "Quill Records Story" Cd from
Collectibles. Altho it is somewhat bassier than the tinny original
45, it is in STEREO! Probably the finest performance by Chicago's
first "supergroup".
Also, on the Buckinghams, anyone but me notice how the strings
jump in too fast on "Susan" on all stereo versions when they come in
during the song's middle instrumental break? A really odd thing to
me. Also, the Sony and Sundazed versions have a double tracked vocal
near the end that wasn't on the 45. In reality, for once, the best
stereo version on Cd of this song is the old 80's Columbia 1968
"Greatest Hits" Lp reissue on Cd, which does not have the double
tracked vocals, but still has the "too fast entering" strings part.
As for Bob Rashkow's "Peoria Sound", you picked 2 gooduns! Altho
the Warner Brothers' "Please Mr. Sullivan" hit the WLS Charts before
even the NC6' "I Confess", their real gem is "I Won't be the Same
Without Her" on Dunwich, which appears on Sundazed Cd now. As for
the Third Booth, here is another odd speeding up story. When I
reached the writer John Clore (a band member) in 2000 in hopes of
licensing the song for a Cd project, he mentioned that the song
was "originally realeased as 'Sound Inc.' in 1967. When we signed
with Independence Records, the name was changed to 'I Need Love'. To
my knowledge the master was destroyed years ago--probably recorded
over. I have one original copy of virgin vinyl I saved." In
another email, he said "WLS an dthe city of Chicago gave me the
chance of a lifetime by playing my music and fulfilling the dream of
4 young musicians. I have copyrights and production." Quite a dream-
-it went to #2 on the WLS charts, after they had quit featuring local
acst for the most part!! Wish the masters were around!
Another Bobster posting answer: Barney Pip--great talent ahead of
his time! Certainly one of the wildest and crazy djs of Chicago
60's. I was lucky enough to become friends with him in the late 80's
before his death several years ago. I talked via email with his
daughter about a year ago and she agreed he was ahead of his time. I
managed to get his classic vocal rendition of the Hombres' "Let it
Out" on Bomp's (http://www.Bomp.com) Chicago Highs Vol 6 or 7. If you
like Barney, this is a must to get! Also, "Face the Autumn" is indeed
a great great record! Their followup, "San Francisco Waits" ain't a
bit bad either. I just converted a bunch of that stuff to Cdr--a
Rochelle Lara greatest hits? Her solo 45s, Family and Raintree
Minority. Pretty good stuff overall!
For Guy Lawrence, don't get me started on Saturday's Children and
the Del-Vetts. Great music! Mark Frumento, my fave Shames Cd is
also "Scratch in the Sky". I gotta comment on the Flowerpot Men too,
but outta time. You got a great ear!!
Finally, for Mick Patrick, can you ask Tony Hatch if he
has "Forget Him" in stereo or if it was recorded in stereo? Seems it
should a been and would be a great find someday! Take care and sorry
this is soooo long!
Clark (not chrome dome Weber) Besch
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:57:08 +0100
From: Mick Patrick
Subject: Re: Faux Shangs: Verdelle Smith
Picture this: Judy and Juanito are lovers. Her girlfriends
have warned her what a bad seed he is. The whole neighbourhood
stares when they walk by hand in hand. To her, he's warm,
gentle, sweet and shy. Some girls won't never learn....
Click below to hear "Juanito" by S'pop darling Verdelle Smith,
released on Columbia 43296 in 1965. As usual, it was written
and produced by Vance & Pockriss. I believe it was her first
record. It's one of my favourite Faux Shangs discs:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Unfortunately I only have the track on cassette. Feh! Does
anyone have a copy of the 45 to sell me?
Mick Patrick
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:02:09 -0400
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: RE: Bodie Chandler
John Frank writes:
> And finally, a question about a songwriter: I keep encounter-
> ing the last name Chandler as a writer of some excellent songs,
> sometimes teaming up with Barry Devorzon. Who is this Chandler
> (or these Chandlers, as the case may be)? Some examples are The
> Cannon Sisters' "Second Best" and "I'm Sorry I Went", Dean
> Cannon's "When Love Goes Wrong (Nothing Goes Right)", "Beginning
> of the End," by Diane Emond, and probably the best-known one in
> this list, "What About Me?" by Ramona King and by Charlotte
> O'Hara, whom we also know as Bonnie.
Chandler is Bodie Chandler, Barry deVorzon's writing partner and they
were also in a group called Barry & The Tamerlanes. Chandler-DeVorzon
wrote this group's only US hit, "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight" in
1963. There is an illustrated write-up of Barry DeVorzon's career at:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rockin.paul/BARRY%20and%20TAMERLANES.htm
This page almost looks as if it could be from Spectropop.
"Beginning Of The End" by Diane Emond is a great 45 as is her version
of the Cascades' "I Wanna Be Your Lover".
Mike Edwards
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:47:29 -0000
From: Stratton Bearhart
Subject: Re: Popeye DVD
In addition Van Dyke Parks provided the orchestrations. In this
collaboration with Harry N I imagine there was more than spinach
involved.
Stratton Bearhart.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:40:11 +0200
From: Hans Ket
Subject: Re: Strawberry Park / Strawberry Vocal Choir
Hello Mark,
> The producers and writers are Rob and Ferdi Bolland. Anyone know
> anything about this group or the record? I can play the record to
> music if that would help.
Bolland and Bolland are dutch brothers from the Hague. They compose,
produce (for) many acts and performed as Bolland and Bolland from 1972.
More info on them is to be found on the next url:
http://www.alexgitlin.com/bolland.htm On this site there's no mention
on "Strawberry Park" but I've found out that in '82 a 45 was released
(in Holland) as "Strawberry Vocal Choir - Summer is a coming" (Philips).
The uploaded song sounds like a "Bolland and Bolland" performance.
Hans
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:30:23 +0200
From: Eddy
Subject: Re: Lindsey Buckingham
Albabe asked:
> One more before I get back to work. Anyone know anything about
> Lindsey Buckingham's unreleased followup to his '92 "Out Of The
> Cradle" album, "Gift Of Screams?"
Here's the track listing :
Somebody changes your mind
Land is always alone
Steel your heart away
Take you long long way
She smiles waiting
Think of me, sweet darlin'
Down on lonely road
I got you to get away
Lonely California son
I want to wait for you
Blow in the rain
Gift of sceams
Bleed to love her
Light my way
Say goodbye to you
Feelin' inside
Go insane (live)
Not sure if this last track was planned for the original album, but it
does circulate as part of the bootleg cdr.
Eddy
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 11:14:38 +0100
From: S'pop Team
Subject: Re: Bonnie & the Treasures
[Forwarded from the S'pop Public Bulletin Board]
Mick and Phil did a great job on the Bonnie Discography at
http://www.spectropop.com/HOTB/HOTBpart4.htm
They did leave out
CANADIAN PHI-DAN PD 505 1965
HOME OF THE BRAVE BONNIE AND THE TREASURES
(This 45 has a black label with silver lettering)
Even the obscure PHILLES related labels were pressed in Canada
Joe S
Ellie Greenwich Fan Club
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:46:25 +0930
From: Norman
Subject: Young Birds Fly
Mark Frumento Re: Cryan' Shames
>and their version of "Young Birds Fly" which holds up
>against the version by the mightly Flower Pot Men.
When anyone gets a chance give the late William Oliver
Swofford's own version of "Young Birds Fly" a listen.
The treatment is not exactly as The Flower Pot Men-cum-
White Plains released it but it is something special.
Not too sure when he recorded his version as my copy is
from a compilation released by Summit Records Australia
(via Crewe / C.G.C. Records New York) in the 1970s.
Norman
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:13:15 +0100
From: Martin Roberts
Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
Rod McKuen is the seemingly bizarre choice for this
Record of the Week, a pleasant musical surprise!
http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm
Jeff's playing to musica of The Association's "Baby Can't You
Hear Me Call Your Name" and mention of the What Four's cover
is the inspiration for this week's Battle of the Nitzsche's,
the Girly Bs. The What Four's flip is up against the
Satisfactions' "Bring It All Down" written by Jack's former
lodger, Bob Lind. Hoping that most of you know the marvellous
A-Sides "Anything For A Laugh" and "Daddy You Just Gotta Let
Him In" a pair of rarely heard flips.
Nitzsche Radio has jingle #8 (Adventure) playing for your
edification and delight.
Plenty has been happening behind the scenes of Jack's Magical
Musical World. The first fruit of this labour is a 'Previous
Record of the Week' listing, subtitled "What You've Missed"
- access this from the ROTW column.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 09:23:45 -0400
From: Mike Edwards
Subject: RE: Freddy Cannon; Buckinghams
Clark Besch writes:
> I dig Freddy Cannon too! Wish "Dedication Song"
> would come out in stereo.
Would it make a difference? Would Freddy be able to get
twice as many dedications in? Favorite line in this song:
"this song goes out to Judy
dedicated from Vince
she told him she loved him so
she hasn't seen him since."
Who says pop records lack social commentary? Fortunately,
the CD industry loves Freddy and pretty much all his stuff
is out and in great quality.
> Back on the Buckinghams, certainly the 45 of "Kind of a Drag"
> is the most powerful sounding and may soon be on CD in the
> mono 45 form again.
That would be worth waiting for. As I am finding out, CDs are
using LP mixes as their source material to the detriment of 45
lovers.
> Also, on the Buckinghams, anyone but me notice how the strings
> jump in too fast on "Susan" on all stereo versions when they
> come in during the song's middle instrumental break? A really
> odd thing to me. Also, the Sony and Sundazed versions have a
> double-tracked vocal near the end that wasn't on the 45. In
> reality, for once, the best stereo version on CD of this song
> is the old 80s Columbia 1968 "Greatest Hits" LP reissue on CD,
> which does not have the double-tracked vocals, but still has
> the "too fast entering" strings part.
Isn't the way to go on "Susan" to make your own "personal"
copy without the junk in it? It is almost as if they were too
embarrassed to release a straight pop record in early '68 with
nothing more meaningful than a girl's name as the song title.
Mike Edwards
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 19:31:33 +0200
From: Hans Ket
Subject: Re: Faux Shangs: Shirley
Mick Patrick:
> Seems like the other day
> Her baby went away
> He went away 'cross the sea
> ...to Germany?
>
> To find out what the hell I'm talking about, follow the link
> below and take a listen to "Vergessen" by a young lady named
> Shirley, released in Germany on Columbia 22 837 c.1964:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/
Or to L.A./Hollywood (from the continental point of view)
While listening to "Vergessen" (again and again) I got a feeling
she's not a German singer, she seems not quite comfortable with
that language.
I got the idea that she was maybe the Dutch singer Shirley (Zweerus),
who was in 1958 launched as a Dutch "Conny Fröboess". She tried her
luck on many 45s sung in Dutch, German and English and was a member
of the winning "Knokke" song festival team (1964 in Belgium). In
'68 she recorded "Big Boss Man" and left with her boyfriend to L.A.
to record an album. I doubt it was ever finished. She fell in love
with her producer and married him. According to her own words (in the
book "Beat Meisjes") about this marriage:
"He only had $-signs in his eyes, he was day and night busy in the
studio and his secretary sometimes made lunch appointments for us.
I lived in a golden cage and on my birthday he gave me a car with
a knot around it. In 1976 I took my clothes and fled back to my
parents". (Who said "That Will Never Happen Again?) (-:
This record "Vergessen" isn't mentioned in her discography.
So I listened to "Big Boss Man", and compared their voices to
find out if these are the same Shirleys?????? It's possible
.......but I have my doubts. But if they are the same girls,
"Vergessen" may be recorded in L.A. because it sounds (production-
wise) "un-Dutch" for that time (1965?).
Mick, do you have any any idea of the release date of "Vergessen"?
Maybe other Spectropoppers want to give it a try. I've uploaded the
track "Big Boss Man" to musica and a photo of her to the photofiles.
Hans Ket
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:52:50 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Speeding up songs and the Third Booth
Almost forgot when talking about the Third Booth,
J.C. Clore mentioned too, that Independence Records
speeded up "I Need Love" from the original Thunder
Records version under "Sound, Inc." title.
Take care,
Clark Besch
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:02:55 EDT
From: Bob Rashkow
Subject: Re: Chicago scene
The Dunwich people really had their day in the sun......
Bill Traut helped get the American Breed hyped, and the
Del-Vetts could do no wrong. I also recommend "I Call My
Baby STP" (BIG local hit) and the B-side, a gentle, moving
rendition of Arthur Lee's "That's The Way It Is".
Bobster
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