________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Jamie LePage (1953-2002) http://www.spectropop.com/Jamie.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 12 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Murmaids on the radio...their first interview ever! From: Ronnie Allen 2. Nevertheless From: Andrew Jones 3. Re: Alias Tony Hatch From: Mick Patrick 4. "Boom Boom"/Shames/Verdelle/Buckinghams From: Clark Besch 5. Re: "Forget Him" From: John Fox 6. Emitt Rhodes From: Stratton Bearhart 7. Re: Bolland Brothers From: Michael Godin 8. Bodie Chandler; Shirley and Cindy Ellis; short takes From: Country Paul 9. more nnillssonn From: Alan Gordon 10. Re: The Chicago Sound From: David Coyle 11. Re: Murmaids on the radio...their first interview ever! From: James Botticelli 12. Re: Nevertheless From: Adam Guida -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:30:50 EDT From: Ronnie Allen Subject: Murmaids on the radio...their first interview ever! To all ..... I am very pleased to announced that this coming Thursday I will be doing my first radio program since my three-hour Internet interview with Bobby Vee on March 13th of LAST YEAR. That's a LONG TIME time between radio gigs and partly for that reason I am especially excited about announcing the following upcoming show. This Thursday, April 17th, from 9 to 10 PM Eastern Time, I'll be hosting a live-by-phone interview show with THE MURMAIDS, the female trio who recorded the memorable 1963 smash hit oldie "Popsicles And Icicles." This will be the Murmaids first radio interview EVER! The show will be originate on radio station WBCB (1490-AM in Fairless Hills, PA) and be carried simultaneously on the Internet. The Internet address for picking up the show is: http://www.wbcb1490.com/listen.htm So who were these mysterious ladies who briefly but effectively captivated the music world shortly before the onset of the British invasion? I think it's accurate to say that the Murmaids were an instant overnight success and then an instant disappearing act! Their success story is pretty simple...and SHORT! In 1963 three girls from Los Angeles, sisters Terry and Carol Fischer and their friend Sally Gordon, recorded a tune called "Popsicles And Icicles," a light but catchy little ditty written by a then-unknown songwriter by the name of David Gates, who would eventually form and become the lead singer of a very successful group called Bread. The three girls named themselves "The Murmaids." As for how the "e" got replaced by a "u," that's something that to this date nobody (including them) seem to know for sure! But Murmaid Carol believes it may have been a typo! Typo or not "Popsicles And Icicles" became an instant smash, climbing to #3 on the national charts. And then, after not much more than the proverbial "15 minutes of fame," the Murmaids quickly vanished! Actually, though, Terry and Carol never really disappeared from the music business but only from the Murmaids! They are third-generation musicians whose father, the late Carl Fischer, composed the standards "You've Changed" and "We'll Be Together Again" and was musical director for Frankie Laine for more than ten years. It was Carl who played the memorable piano portion on Pee Wee Hunt's legendary smash hit "Twelfth Street Rag." Their mother, Terry Fischer Sr., was the first girl singer with the Stan Kenton Orchestra and their grandmother and great aunts were members of the long-time hit vaudeville act "The Locus Sisters." Now -- 40 years after it became a smash hit -- hundreds of thousands of oldies music fans still fondly remember "Popsicles And Icicles," a recording that is still played in regular rotation on many oldies stations throughout the nation that are still willing to acknowledge that 60s music remains lovingly in the hearts of so many. For years people were asking "Whatever became of the Murmaids," surely one of the most mysterious disappearing acts of all time! And then, in 2001 -- after a hiatus of nearly four decades -- they RE-SURFACED! To mark the occasion they created their own website, http://www.murmaids.com and recorded a brand new CD called "The Murmaids Splash Back!" It includes a new (2001) version of "Popsicles And Icicles" plus the original hit version from 1963. The current lineup consists of the two original sister members, Terry and Carol Fischer, plus new member Petra Rowell. I will be interviewing all three live-by-phone. They will talk about why they disappeared, what happened to them, and why they decided to get back together as the Murmaids. And they will share many very fascinating stories. In addition to their big hit we'll be featuring selections from the Murmaids original "Popsicles And Icicles" LP as well as selections from their brand new CD. And I am keeping my fingers crossed that we'll have a very special pre-recorded guest joining in the festivities! I promise you there will be many surprises and most likely not all of them will be planned. Because the show will be live there will be NO RETAKES so it should be both spontaneous and unpredictable. If you are one of the hundreds of thousands of oldies fans who fondly remember "Popsicles And Icicles" I hope you find the opportunity to join Terry and Carol and Petra and (maybe) a special pre-recorded guest and myself as we take a walk down memory lane and into the present and the future! Because the show is only an hour long we won't be taking live phone calls from listeners. However if you have a question that you would like me to ask the Murmaids during the show please e-mail it to me and if I use it I'll mention you. Ronnie Allen -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 23:45:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Jones Subject: Nevertheless My "usual" local station plays easy-listening oldies (the "Music Of Your Life" format); its regular playlist includes three different versions of the old standard "Nevertheless." ("Maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm weak and maybe I'm strong, but nevertheless I'm in love with you ...") Did any Spectropop acts ever do this song? Andrew -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:50:07 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Alias Tony Hatch Mike Edwards wrote: > ..."Forget Him"...written by Tony Hatch...reminded me that > Tony wrote under two pseudonyms, Mark Anthony and Fred > Nightingale. Mick Patrick recently asked for some questions > to submit to Tony, so: Why did he use the pseudonyms? Hi Mike, I asked Tony about his use of pen-names. Here's his reply: > I picked Mark Anthony for a nom-de-plume simply because it > contained at least one of my names. I hadn't heard of another > Mark Anthony (in the pop biz). The reason why I used a nom-de- > plume at all was because in my early days of recording the > management was concerned that I might be accused of a conflict > of interest. They were nervous that publishers and writers > might complain that I was recording my own songs to the > exclusion of others. No one needed to have worried. Besides > writing many songs myself I also recorded a huge amount of > songs from other writers and publishers. It didn't take long > for the business and then the public to find out the true > identity of Mark Anthony so I reverted to Tony Hatch. A > composer is allowed two pen-names under PRS rules and the only > other one I ever used was Fred Nightingale for "Sugar and > Spice" in a futile attempt to conceal my identity from The > Searchers who, I thought, wouldn't want to record it if it was > written by me. They say they knew all along that it was my song! Tony stopped using songwriting aliases in about 1964. As it happens, some of my favourite Hatch compositions are from this pre-"Downtown" era. For example, the following Brit Pop nuggets were all written by Mark Anthony: The Breakaways - That Boy Of Mine Petula Clark - Be Good To Me Danny Davis - Tell All The World Mark Wynter - Running To You Julie Grant - Don't Ever Let Me Down Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:04:32 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: "Boom Boom"/Shames/Verdelle/Buckinghams Hi, for starters, Mick Patrick, that cool Verdelle Smith 45 "Juanito" came with a special Dj sleeve touting the 45. I think it was a colored vinyl 45 too, if I remember correctly. When I bought it years ago, I was hoping for a pic sleeve, but just a text sleeve. For Norman, I knew Oliver had recorded "Young Birds Fly", but I believe he didn't release it on Lp until 1970, which would have been after the Shames & Flowerpots. It is SO great that the Flowerpot Men stuff came out on Cd in the late 80s. Before that, their Lp comp and 45s were muddy or all mono. The Cd is a revelation in sound and stereo. Great pop music--even includes "In a Moment of Madness" which would show up on 1970 White Plains Lp too. Great 45 that actually got airplay in Kansas where I grew up! By the way, my buddy Mike Callahan got this from Oliver and printed it in his "Both Sides Now" chat room years ago, which is great to visit for stereo collectors at http://www.bsnpubs.com "The talk about Oliver and 'Young Birds Fly' reminded me about a story that Oliver told about himself and 'Young Birds Fly. I happened to see him in concert at a small room here in the DC area in the early 1970s. He said he was just starting out as a songwriter in his early twenties, and 'Young Birds Fly' was the first song he ever got recorded by anyone. He proudly watched it rocket up to #99 on the Billboard charts. A couple of months later, he received a royalty check in the mail from BMI. He opened it up and found it was for 298 thousand dollars! After a few cartwheels, he thought, "Hey, this songwriting business is really going to be great." Since it was Friday, he packed a few things and headed for the beach for a few days, planning which new car he was going to get, etc. When he got back home on Sunday night, there was a special delivery telegram from BMI. Seems they had misplaced the decimal point on his check... here was a corrected one for $298.00!" Funny story! Oliver had a great voice. Funny, but the Cryan Shames do not like to perform this song live. It was recorded to be in a movie, but never happened. The group was never happy it was released as a 45. Too bad, cause I think it's great! Mike Edwards re. Freddy Cannon, how 'bout more stereo than just "Dedication Song" then? :) "Action" sounds great in stereo, so this song should too. His songs were all about fun and I loved that! Who couldn't sing "Whooooo" along with him? I still remember him doing "Dedication" on Bandstand with the kids chained together to his hips and moving around the stage. That should be on "American Dreams". I remember my older brothers adding "Transister Sister" and "Muskrat Ramble" as some of their earliest records bought for their collections. Also, Mike, the "junk" in the middle of "Susan" is not what I am talking about. It is the strings earlier than "the junk" that come in too soon. Actually, odd as that middle "junk" break is, I have always liked it--maybe cause I never knew it shouldn't have been there when I was a kid. According to interviews, the group was aghast when they heard that in the middle. It was Guercio that added that part and may have helped lead to the Buckinghams parting company with him soon after as producer. Don't blame the group here, I guess. For Bobster, certainly the Delvetts' "STP" is great, reminding me of the Raiders hits of the day. Another Raider-like song, "Girl", which was the Del-Vetts under their new name "Pride & Joy", which made the WLS top 30! Since you mentioned "That's the Way it is", the Pride & Joy redid this for a 45 on Acta in 1968--again as a B side. Take care & keep the Chitalk coming! Clark Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:57:23 EDT From: John Fox Subject: Re: "Forget Him" Mick Patrick wrote: > "Forget Him", produced by Tony Hatch and written by him > using the pen-name Mark Anthony, was a #13 hit for Bobby > Rydell in the UK in the summer of 1963. The record reached > #4 in the USA early the following year. I spent years > thinking this delicious song was written by Carole King > and Gerry Goffin. Wrong! Yes, but Brill Building counterparts Neil Sedaka and Carole Bayer Sager clearly stole The Monkees' "When Love Comes Knocking At Your Door" from "Forget Him". John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:24:34 -0000 From: Stratton Bearhart Subject: Emitt Rhodes Glad to see mention of this other son of Hawthorne CA via Clark Besche. Emitt and his Ampex four track continued on a legacy began by McCartney with his 'home-made' sounds from 1970. In Emitt's case it wasn't a matter of choice but neccessity. That ABC Dunhill took him up and issued his debut album was good news for all of us who all these years on still enjoy his music, which is very McCartney influenced, with a sound that could easily be mistaken for outtakes from The White album. What is astounding is that Rhodes was sometimes more McCartney than McCartney himself and this concurrent with McCartney's early solo output. Emitt was something of a template himself spawning many like minded songwriters, Stephen Bishop and Andrew Gold come immediately to mind. Anyhow, returning to themes from previous posts I wanted to add that Mr Rhodes had McCartney's bass sound down to a T. Not an easy task. And finally that his later albums were engineered by Curt Boettcher(another Spectropop favorite)who added a cut-glass sparkle to these discs. Wonderful stuff!. Stratton Bearhart -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:31:57 -0700 From: Michael Godin Subject: Re: Bolland Brothers Mark Frumento: > The producers and writers are Rob and Ferdi Bolland. Anyone > know anything about this group or the record? Hans Ket: > Bolland and Bolland are dutch brothers from the Hague. They > compose, produce (for) many acts and performed as Bolland and > Bolland from 1972. More info on them is to be found on the url: > http://www.alexgitlin.com/bolland.htm On this site there's no > mention of "Strawberry Park" but I've found out that in '82 a > 45 was released (in Holland) as "Strawberry Vocal Choir" - > "Summer is a coming" (Philips). The uploaded song sounds like > a "Bolland and Bolland" performance. I first became aware of Rob and Ferdi when I was Vice-President A&R for A&M Records Canada. I was offered the rights for their album "The Domino Theory", an album which I took to immediately. I eventually got the rights and then A&M used their studio production talents for a Falco remix and also a group I had signed in Canada, The Arrows. They remixed a 12 inch of one of their singles. We had good success with them and they opened for Chris DeBurgh on a sold out European tour. I have often wondered what Rob and Ferdi are doing these days. Michael Godin http://www.TreasureIslandOldies.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:11:42 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Bodie Chandler; Shirley and Cindy Ellis; short takes John Frank: > a question about a songwriter: I keep encountering the last name > Chandler as a writer of some excellent songs, sometimes teaming > up with Barry DeVorzon. Who is this Chandler....? Ward "Bodie" Chandler graduated UCLA in 1961, and was one of Barry DeVorzon's Tamerlanes; the third member was Terry Smith. Chandler co-wrote the classic "I Wonder What She's Doing Tonight" and its less-successful follow-ups. (Mike Edwards already mentioned the Spectro-worthy history of Barry & The Tamerlanes at http://perso.wanadoo.fr/rockin.paul/BARRY%20and%20TAMERLANES.htm ) Chandler spent time at American International Pictures as music director during the blaxploitation era; details are recounted in a short but excellent article, "Bodies of Soul," at http://www.hearsay.cc/features/articles/05-08-04-02/SoulCinema.html Chandler also spent time as Music Director for Hanna-Barbera, and was Director of Music for the animated "Jonny Quest: The Real Adventures." He more recently did the music for several Scooby Doo television soundtracks, listed at http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=product&id=1927194658 He also co-wrote and co-produced a song for artist Hunter Payne in 2000: http://www.hunterpayne.com/withoutyou.html Perhaps more relevant to this list is the following from the Kim Carnes Fan Club site: "I only met her a few times and there no photographers around. The first I met her I was working on a record at Hollywood Studios (where I believe she recorded the "Rest On Me" album). I was alone at the piano and this very pretty young lady stuck her head in the studio and asked me if I was Bodie Chandler and did I write "Everything Has Got To Be Free". I said yes and she introduced herself and told me she loved the song and was going to record it with Jimmy Bowen as her producer. Needless to say, that made my day!!" - Bodie Chandler (E-mail to Kim Carnes Fan Club in 2001) His songs have also been recorded by Skeeter Davis and Cher. In checking out the above, I found an interesting biographical article on the Cascades: http://www.benmclane.com/cascades.htm (The website is that of their entertainment lawyers!) Shirley's "Vergessen" is a real novel item - and a real treat. Does whoever played it to musica know anything about my current major search artist, Cindy Ellis, apparently an American who sang in German and had an international hit 45 in 1960, "Do You Think Of Me"? It was on Laurie in the US. Was there an album, US or European? Any other work (I know of one vocal, style unknown, with Bert Kaempfert, found at his website)? Short takes: I've toasted Jamie with all the Cokes I could find - a 7-pack! Thanks, all - and thanks, Jamie! RIP, Little Eva; John Clemente, thanks for the bio. Guess we're going to be seeing more and more of these notices as time unfolds. Mick Patrick, I loved Verdelle Smith's "Juanito" when it came out. Haven't thought about it in years. But Rod McKuen's "I Turn to You" on the Jack Nitzsche site is just SO far over the top; I expect to see the cavalry come over the ridge any moment! Mike Edwards, thanks for the lead to the Indigo 45s discography. albabe: > God I'm old! , Yeah, but I'm an old kid - the "kid" part counts for a lot! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:14:18 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: more nnillssonn Roger Smith wrote: > According to Nilssonian Curtis Armstrong, BMG has been > talking with Marakumi Wolf and Harry's estate about the > possibility of a DVD release of "The Point!" Dunno if > anything will come of it, but it's interesting news! That would be great. I love that movie. It seems obvious to me that Harry was a very complicated fella. He seemed to revel in the irony and sarcasm he was renowned for, but he also did such supportive social-commentary -with-a-heart type things like "The Point", which I assume was for children. Although it sure made me feel less alone because I was "different." I may be off the mark here, but years ago I had a revelation of sorts when listening to "Cuddly Toy" by the Monkees. Upon thinking I understood what the lyrics were indeed referring to, I was amazed that it got by the groups censors. Hmmm? "Cherry delight?" Question for you, sir: I have two versions of "The Point" on vhs. One narrated by Dustin Hoffman and another by Ringo. Were these the only two presentations of the film or was there another narrated by Harry, like the album? albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Chicago Sound Thanks to Clark Besch for all the commentary about the great Chicago pop groups of the '60s. I can tell, judging from your username, that you would have a degree of firsthand knowledge of the groups and obvious hometown pride. I didn't keep my copy of the original Columbia CD of the Cryan Shames, although I realized that the Sundazed CDs would be comprised of the original 45 mixes of the songs that were remixed for the 1991 CD. Seems a lot of '60s reissues from those years went for the "first-time stereo remixes," not anticipating the whole "mono vs. stereo" debates that have flared up with the progressing years. On the other hand, I found I just had to have the Sundazed reissues because the liner notes for the Columbia CD really piqued my interest, describing a lot of fantastic songs that weren't ON it. Hearing the Shames' version of "If I Needed Someone" was definitely worth the wait. "Scratch In The Sky" blows me away now that I've heard it in its entirety. I love the cover illustration from the first LP (used for the original CD cover). Sugar and spice indeed! Nice move with the running order. Considering "Almanac" didn't originally precede "I Wanna Meet You," it takes a good ear to know the songs go together in spirit. BTW, I have a copy of the original Destination 45 for "Sugar and Spice" b/w "Ben Franklin's Almanac." Nice score for a quarter. Re the Buckinghams, I haven't really gotten into "Time And Charges" as much as I have the other albums, given its experimental nature. The obvious hits are a given, of course. I love the raw faux-British sound of the first album, and many of their finest moments near the end of their heyday are on the "In One Ear And Gone Tomorrow" LP. I just can't get into "Time And Charges," but I'm trying. As for the first LP, it's interesting to note the obvious Hollies influence early on. Listen to their versions of "Lawdy Miss Clawdy" and "I've Been Wrong Before" compared to the Hollies' versions on their 1966 "Hollies" LP. Of course, the latter song is a Hollies original, and the Bucks do a note for note rendition, but "Lawdy" is an identical interpretation of the Hollies version, except for the added horns. I love "Virginia Woolf." Very au-go-go. I heard a version by the Graham Bond Organization, and still dig the Buckinghams version the most. I wouldn't have the Rhino best-of for the NC6 if it wasn't for the inclusion of their later recordings, as I'd never heard those songs. I had Sundazed's "At The River's Edge" compilation of their early Sentar recordings, in which the writer of the liner notes pretty much trashed anything that the New Colony Six did after 1966. But ignoring those 1968 hits for the sake of garage-punk aesthetics would be akin to ignoring anything Roy Orbison did after he left Sun Records. If those old Rhino comps were the only source of material by groups like the NC6, they would be groundbreaking. But I think a lot of the newer labels have taken '60s reissues to a level they should never regress from. In the same vein, I have had to hold onto Rhino's "Best Of The Beau Brummels," in order to hear any of their highly rated Warner recordings, having just about their entire Autumn Records output. Now I see Collectors Choice has reissued "Triangle" and "Bradley's Barn," but the real keeper is going to be the complete Brummels collection that is supposed to come out on Rhino Handmade. Another Chi-group that we've been talking about is the American Breed. I really enjoy the Varese CD, and it led me to work my way up to their entire LP output and a couple of Acta 45s. In fact, I had one of their 45s, "Green Light" b/w "Don't It Make You Cry," even before I got their CD. That and hearing "Step Out Of Your Mind" on some oldies radio show cinched it for me. Still I didn't get their CD until I got the first Dunwich Records compilation on Sundazed. So it was fun to then hear the songs which were appropriated for their jingles for Coca-Cola ("Cool It") and Partridge Meats ("Ready Willing And Able"). Certainly a "commercial" group! Of course, thanks to "Oh Yeah" and "If You're Ready," I got into Saturday's Children, the Del-Vetts, Sounds Unlimited (did they really try out for the Monkees?), the Warner Brothers ("Dirty Ernie" and "Oleo Margarine" are wigged-out garage classics), the Banshees ("Project Blue" made it to a "headache mix" tape I did once), and the Knaves, and further piqued my curiosity about the Shadows Of Knight. Re Clark's question about my screen name: Yes, "Sugar Shack" by Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs came out in 1963, but I took my username from a teen nightclub called the Sugar Shack that opened in my hometown in 1966. The number also doesn't reference by birth year. I actually was born several years after many of the groups I now listen to broke up! David P.S. Clark, are you or were you a deejay for WLS? I've always been fascinated by WLS, not for '60s rock, but for the fact that it was the station of reporter Herb Morrison, who did the famous recording of the "Hindenburg" disaster in 1937. Of course, it was also the home of the National Barn Dance, which actually predated the Grand Ole Opry, did it not? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:28:00 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Murmaids on the radio...their first interview ever! Ronnie Allen wrote: > This Thursday, April 17th, from 9 to 10 PM Eastern Time, > I'll be hosting a live-by-phone interview show with > THE MURMAIDS, the female trio who recorded the memorable > 1963 smash hit oldie "Popsicles And Icicles." This will be > the Murmaids first radio interview EVER! Excellent news. FYI, the Japanese--always hot on the tracks of soft stuff--have reissued their material in a sort of pricey ($19.99) CD that includes the incredible track "Don't Lose Your Cool" which is my pick to have clicked but didn't. The remastering is the best I've heard on old material and is still available TTBOMK. I picked mine up from http://www.dustygroove.com No commercial interest here! Good luck Ronnie. -- James Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:05:41 -0000 From: Adam Guida Subject: Re: Nevertheless Andrew Jones asked: > My "usual" local station.... includes three different > versions of the old standard "Nevertheless." ("Maybe > I'm right and maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm weak and maybe > I'm strong, but nevertheless I'm in love with you ...") > > Did any Spectropop acts ever do this song? Andrew, Yes - Ruby and the Romantics did a very pleasant version in 1965 on Kapp - sadly not included on the recent, and otherwise great, 'Best Of' collection from RPM. --Adam G. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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