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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. The Candymen (was Roemans)
From: Jeff Lemlich
2. Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal
From: Ken Bell
3. Re: Chuck Woolery: He's still got it!
From: Clark Besch
4. Girl Group Article in Popular Music
From: Paul Woods
5. Summer songs, The New Order
From: Justin McDevitt
6. Patrice Holloway: She's Got Skills
From: Stuffed Animal
7. Members; musica; U. P.; Mills/Miles; misc. 45's; Buddah stuff
From: Country Paul
8. Beg, Borrow & Steal; Three Degrees
From: Nick Archer
9. International Pop Overthrow
From: Kingsley Abbott
10. Re: Beg Borrow And Steal
From: David Coyle
11. Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal
From: Billy G. Spradlin
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:59:45 -0000
From: Jeff Lemlich
Subject: The Candymen (was Roemans)
Bill Craig wrote:
> I think I heard something similar about The Candymen
> (Georgia Pines) also on ABC Paramount I believe. Were
> they not at one time Roy Orbison's backing Band?
The Candymen started out in Dothan, Alabama as The Webs.
Bobby Goldsboro was their original leader. When Bobby decided
to chase after honey and funny little clowns, the band took on
Rodney Justo as their new singer. Justo, from the west side of
Tampa, had previously fronted a group called "Rodney & The
Mystics", and had cut a 45 for the Sound Stage 7 label.
Roy Orbison took an interest in the band, and hired them as his
backing group... at which time The Webs became The Candymen,
named after Orbison's hit "Candy Man". There is often
confusion between the Candymen and Roemans, since the latter
group was in a similar situation, having changed their name
(ever so slightly) from the Romans to the Roemans when Tommy
Roe came calling. And of course, both groups are best known
for their recordings on ABC.
The Candymen reverted to their original name for a one-off
single for MGM, "People Sure Act Funny"/"You Pretty Fool".
This was due to the ever-popular "contractual reasons".
When the Candymen broke up, Justo joined the Tampa band "Noah's
Ark" and sang on their 45 for Liberty. Buddy Buie suggested he
move to Georgia and sing for a studio group made up of Florida
and Georgia garage band veterans (including a couple of other
former Candymen). That band became known as "Atlanta Rhythm
Section".
Jeff Lemlich
The Limestone Lounge Florida Music Forum
http://pub64.ezboard.com/blimestonelounge
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:14:53 -0500
From: Ken Bell
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal
Paul Urbahns asked:
> I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a
> group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the
> same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express.
> Is that so, or are they two different recordings?
It is the same song by different groups. I personally like the
Ohio Express rendition the best, but probably because I heard
it first.
Noiro
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:44:10 -0000
From: Clark Besch
Subject: Re: Chuck Woolery: He's still got it!
Art Longmire wrote:
> I heard about that show and actually wish I had caught it. I
> have some of the solo singles Chuck Woolery did on Columbia
> after he left the Avant Garde and they aren't bad. And I love
> "Fly With Me"....... What's tough for me to imagine is Chuck
> as a Kingston Trio-type folkie. The record I mentioned in an
> earlier post by The Bordermen is a knockoff of the Kingston
> Trio style and sounds very "college student".....
Art, yes, that opening to "Fly With Me' is great! They did
indeed show the Avant Garde as the folkie group in mid 60s in a
video clip, but talked over the sound, so couldn't make out the
music. They did look like K Trio types! The show was apparently a
5 night reality/life of Chuck Woolery show. Funny, my buddy who
taped the show (night 2 is what I got) said on last night he was
divorcing his 3rd wife. Now, that's reality, I guess.
Clark
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:03:16 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Paul Woods
Subject: Girl Group Article in Popular Music
Has anyone on this list read the following?:
Author(s): Cyrus, C.
Article Title: Selling an image: girl groups of the 1960s
Journal Title: POPULAR MUSIC -CAMBRIDGE- ISSN:0261-1430
Year: 2003 Volume/Issue:VOL 22; PART 2
Page(s): 173-194
Publication frequency: Thrice yearly: 3 issues per year
Where published: Great Britain
Language: English
Dewey Class: 781.63
LC Class: ML3469
I was alerted to its existence by the BL's ZETOC service.
I must nip down to our public library, which I believe
subscribes to the Popular Music journal!
Wudzi
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:23:53 -0500
From: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Summer songs, The New Order
Hello Spectropop,
The off and on-again discussion over the last few weeks
concerning summer songs hs prompted me to recall a few of my
favorites, all of which are familiar:
1. Summer Song; Chad and Jeremy; (one of my top 10 favorites).
2. Summertime Blues; Eddie Cochran
3. Hot Fun In The Summertime; Sly and the Family Stone
Regarding the New Order, can anyone on the list shed some light
on this group. Didn't they back the Monkees on their 1st LP?
Justin McDevitt
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:59:46 -0000
From: Stuffed Animal
Subject: Patrice Holloway: She's Got Skills
What is it about Patrice Holloway that makes her recordings
so damn special? Mick Patrick was kind enough to share some
Patrice recordings with me recently, and I was stunned
by each and every performance ... "For The Love Of Mike" ...
"Lucky, My Boy" .... "The Touch Of Venus" .... "Ecstasy" ...
"Do The Del Viking" ... "Stolen Hours" (a copy of which recently
sold for over $200 on eBay) ... "Black Mother Goose" ... even on
"Those DJ Shows," a tune I was not at all impressed with when I
heard the Diana Ross and The Supremes version.
There wasn't a clunker in the bunch and her incredible vocals are
the reason why. Her singing voice has magic in it ... I'd
describe it as a little girl squeal with a touch of smoky
sophistication. Brenda Lee has better vocal quality, Connie
Francis has better technique, Dionne Warwick has more gospel
training, Dusty Springfield is more sophisticated, Darlene Love
is more powerful, and La La Brooks conveys more drama ... but when
Patrice sings, it sounds like she's got pure emotion welling up in
her throat.
What exuberance! The girl's got skills. She's irresistible on
record ... absolutely my favorite female vocalist!!!
Stuff
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:11:51 -0400
From: Country Paul
Subject: Members; musica; U. P.; Mills/Miles; misc. 45's; Buddah stuff
S'pop team:
> ...on the subject of musica, Yahoo appear to have introduced
> quotas limiting the amount of files that can be downloaded
> in one session.
I believe the number is 10, more than are in the musica file -
or does that include articles and photos as well?
Team again;
> membership has recently crept above 1000
Amazing! Congratulations to everyone - and here's to the new
folks helping to keep the quality high!
David Young:
> I'd like to celebrate both that and Ronnie's August 10th
> birthday by sharing the rare mix of "Paradise" found on
> an instantly deleted 1989 Japanese Spector box set.
Much appreciated, sir! What a lush, rich deep mix!
Mike Edwards:
> [1961's] "Moon Guitar" by the Rangoons (now playing in musica)
> was recorded earlier and has a Duane Eddy-lite flavor to it.
> I love it when the sax kicks in.
Very nice, too, but in my head I hear it with the "bite" of the
real Duane's guitar and the Sharps' backing vocals.
Andrew Jones:
> ...The Fantastics (not the "Hit Records" soundalike "group,"
> but a band from Northern Michigan University).
Is this the doowop group that had "Dancing Doll" on UA in the
early 1960s?
Andrew again:
> And here are some of the labels: ....Princeton (Marquette, MI).
> ....Nuggett (Tennessee).
Was this the same Princeton that had "Summer's Love" by Tony Rice
(1962) and "I" by the Veneers? And I know Nugget was a pretty deep
country label from Goodlettsville, TN. So who was the U.P. country
artist?
Austin Powell, interesting story re: "Look for a Star." I have the
Gary Mills version on Imperial, which has a Part 1 and Part 2, both
2:09 in duration. Can't get to the turntables at the moment; was
one vocal and one instrumental?
Paul Urbahns:
> I spoke with Buzz Cason about 20 years ago about that
> and he said the record company not only copied the other
> guy's song, but his name too!
As I remember, the Mills version has a big organ wash before the
title, and the Miles [Cason] version did something more subtle.
I used to have the Miles version, but it too has "walked away."
Also, tripped over the following while searching for the above,
and am looking for info:
The Moon Stones (Dolton 70, 1963)
- Love Call (wr. Dick Glasser, Camarillo Music, BMI)
- My True Love (wr. Don Wilson-Bob Bogle, Dobo Pub., BMI)
both pr: Bob Reisdorff, a Blue Horizon Production
(I love the "A" side - 12-string acoustic-driven track, sorta
spacy chant, almost folky-psych, especially for 1963)
Michael Dominico (Genius 45-2101-V, 1963)
- Born to Wander (wr. Peterson, Saturday, BMI)
The Moon Surfers
- Surfin on the Moon (wr. Crewe-Gaudio, Saturday, BMI)
both pr. Bob Crewe, arr.-cond. "Calello"
(different artist each side; can't check it out at the moment,
but the "family ties" are obvious. Anyone with more info on this?
Incidentally, the "V" in the record number indicates distribution
by London Records, but the label clained "Dist. by Independent
Producers Group, Inc.")
The Midnight Mail featuring Jim Webb (Audio Arts! [their "!,"
not mine] 60,003, 10/18/66; dist. Amy-Bell-Mala)
- I Can't Get It (wr. Jim Webb, Madelon, BMI)
- I Can't Quit (wr. Jim Webb, Madelon, BMI)
both eng. James Hilton; no prod. listed
(where, how, and with whom does this fit into Mr. Webb's legacy?)
Paul Urbahns:
> I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a
> group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the
> same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express.
> Is that so, or are they two different recordings?
If memory serves me well, I believe they are one and the same. Did
the same personnel make it over to Buddah? I also seem to remember
that the Ohio Express/Rare Breed and perhaps the Lemon Pipers were
the only "real bands" among Buddah bubblegum artists - the rest were
studio creations. Or am I misinformed?
Country Paul
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:03:23 -0500
From: Nick Archer
Subject: Beg, Borrow & Steal; Three Degrees
Paul Urbahns:
> I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a
> group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the
> same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express.
> Is that so, or are they two different recordings?
I have the Rare Breed CD that came out on I think Collectables.
I also have the original LP of the Ohio Express, and it's not
the same performance.
Mike Rashkow:
> No one, in my time with this group, has mentioned The Three
> Degrees. Wonderful girls group out of Philly ....
I always thought that the Three Degree's version of "Maybe" on
Roulette was one of the most scorching pop singles ever recorded.
You need a James Brown towel after just listening to it.
"No, No, Not Again" by the Three Degrees is also a great song with
some interesting chord changes. (Available on the Warner Bros. CD
comp "60s Girl Groups")
Nick Archer
Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at
http://www.live365.com/stations/nikarcher
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:30:23 +0100
From: Kingsley Abbott
Subject: International Pop Overthrow
Some of you may know that the IPO is coming to Europe for the
first time after five or six successful years Stateside in NY,
LA and Chicago. David Bash is staging it at The Cavern from
13th to 19th October, and it is sure to create some waves.
Perhaps of most interest here is the (probably) Saturday night
reunion of Harmony Grass and maybe even Tony Rivers and The
Castaways (who I last saw in 1966!), but there are an amazing
number of other bands/acts playing for the UK, the US, and all
over Europe - all with good pop on their minds.
For more details, check out http://www.internationalpopoverthrow.com
Kingsley
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Coyle
Subject: Re: Beg Borrow And Steal
"Beg Borrow And Steal" by the Rare Breed and the Ohio
Express are one and the same.
The original single was released on the Attack label
in 1966. It was recorded by an obscure New York area
band, and produced by future bubblegum impresarios
Jeff Katz and Jerry Kasenetz. The story is that the
original group was unwilling to go in the direction
Kasenetz and Katz were wanting to head. "Beg Borrow
And Steal," with its "Louie Louie" chord progression
and snotty teenagey vocals is enough of a driving
garage-type record, but one only need to listen to
most everything else the duo produced to see why the
Rare Breed were hesitant to carry on with the
production team.
Anyway, when the Rare Breed severed their ties with
the Super K team, another band was hired to tour and
promote the record. That band was a Mansfield, Ohio
group called Sir Timothy and the Royals, who were
rechristened the Ohio Express. The "Beg Borrow And
Steal" single was duly reissued on the Cameo label
with the new band name. There was no rerecording or
overdubbing, and it doesn't sound like it was remixed.
The Royals were allowed to record some of their own
compositions on the Cameo LP that bore the name of the
hit single, and they sounded enough like the band that
had recorded "Beg Borrow And Steal," that I'm sure
nobody at their gigs doubted it was the same guys. To
further cloud things up, a couple tracks on the LP
were recorded by another Ohio band, the Weasels, whose
main claim to fame is having Joe Walsh as guitarist.
By the time of the Ohio Express's next LP, an
eponymous release on the Buddah label, Kasenetz and
Katz had already recruited studio musicians to play on
the hit singles. The story goes that Joey Levine had
submitted "Yummy Yummy Yummy" (which had previously
been turned down by Jay and the Techniques, the
Turtles, and the Express's Mansfield rivals the Music
Explosion) as a demo, with his voice only intended as
a guide vocal. Inexplicably, Kasenetz and Katz flipped
over Levine's nasal delivery and released it as an
Ohio Express single.
Now, not only did Sir Timothy and the Royals have to
promote two records they'd had nothing to do with,
they had to replicate a sound that was unlike their
normal repertoire. Begrudgingly they went out on the
road, with various Royals taking their turns as the
voice of Joey Levine. The upside was that they had
been able to write and record songs on the album,
which by now had become more psychedelic, or in the
words of some music wag "bad Procol Harum ripoffs." It
was the last hurrah of Sir Timothy and the Royals, as
little by little members of the touring band were
replaced by studio hacks, to the point where one Ohio
Express single was recorded by England's 10cc! Hearing
a new Ohio Express single on the radio that the
touring band hadn't even been approached with yet was
the final straw.
Whatever happened to the Rare Breed? Nobody really
knows. The Ohio Express soldiered on until the turn of
the '70s, trying to go the hard rock route, scorned by
those who remembered them as kings of bubblegum pop.
Fortunately, the Ohio Express is back on track, with
"original" drummer "Sir" Tim Corwin on lead vocals,
doing his best Joey Levine, at peace with a past that
brought him more fame for a time than his former band
might ever have had, and feeding on the baby-boomer
nostalgia that has seen bubblegum music regain a cult
following.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:04:05 -0000
From: Billy G. Spradlin
Subject: Re: Beg, Borrow And Steal
Paul Urbahns wrote:
> I understand the song "Beg, Borrow and Steal" was issued by a
> group called the Rare Breed on an independent label, then the
> same recording was reissued on Cameo as by The Ohio Express.
> Is that so, or are they two different recordings?
"Beg Borrow & Steal" was originally recorded on Attack records
by Super-K Productions (Kazenetz/Katz) by the Rare Breed in 1966.
But when the group split from the company, the producers decided
to put it out on Cameo. I wonder what those guys in the Rare Breed
thought when it became a national hit!
Rhino didnt even mention it being reissued as the Ohio Express
when they included it on the Nuggets box, I guess to escape the
wrath of Alan Klein.
Billy
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