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Volume #0287 July 6, 1999
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"Wide Dynamic Range"
Subject: Renay in Japan?
Received: 07/03/99 11:37 pm
From: David Feldman, feldxxxxerables.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Diane Renay said:
> It would be nice for my memories to have
> the articles! I really hadn't any idea that my music was
> played outside of the US and Japan, where it was number #1
> for 12 weeks on Japan's National music chart.
>
Did you tour at all in Japan? I'm curious if you could put
your finger on why you were so popular in Japan. It is such
a pleasure and honor to have you here.
Dave Feldman
Lake of the Week: Tahoe
Concert of the Week: Brian Wilson in NYC
Scariest Cast on Television: Real World -- Hawaii
Best Gender Survey on the Net: More than 40 new questions
at http://www.imponderables.com
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Subject: Diane Renay/Ian Chapman
Received: 07/03/99 2:33 pm
From: WILLIAM STOS, wsxxxx.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Diane Renay wrote:
> I really hadn't any idea that my music was played
> outside of the US and Japan, where it was number #1
> for 12 weeks on Japan's National music chart.
You'd be surprised to hear from where some of the girl
group fans I've met hail. Thailand, Indonesia, Germany,
Australia, Holland, Finland, etc. We're everywhere.
Ian, do you know if Mick has some back issues of his
fanzines to sell? I'd love to buy some. Does he have email
yet, or could I pass a message along to him through you?
I'd love to chat with the guy who indirectly, taught me
75% I know about girl groups through liner notes.
Will
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Subject: Newbeats
Received: 07/03/99 4:06 am
From: john rausch, jxxxxet
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Anyone have any info on the group that was the Newbeats?
They had a hit with Bread and Butter, but my favorite was
Run Baby Run and I came across a great find. The Run Baby
Run lp in stereo. They do a bunch of covers of top tunes
of the day with "their" sound, with that more than Frankie
Valli`s high voice. A great find, no Spector sound or GG
theme but just good old fashioned pop and roll. I am
curious now to some history of this group and figure this
is the list to find out.
Track Listing:
run baby run
oh,pretty woman (orbison)
hang on sloopy (mccoys)
help (beatles)
little child
its really goodbye
oh girls girls
satisfaction (stones)
this old heart
come see about me (supremes)
mean woolie willy
lookin for love
John Rausch
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Subject: Re: Bob Lind
Received: 07/07/99 1:06 am
From: Jeffrey Thames, KingoGrxxxxm
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
For what it's worth, I recommend the EMI compilation *You
Might Have Heard My Footsteps: The Best [sic] of Bob Lind*
from (I believe) 1995. It contains both World Pacific
albums in their entirety, plus a few extra goodies. I
bought it primarily for "Elusive Butterfly" (a favorite
since first listen) and was not disappointed in the least
by the other tracks. "It's Only My Love" shoulda made him
a two-hit wonder at the very least...
Another welcome to Ms. Christopher! I'll never forget
hearing "Come Softly to Me" as a preteen and practically
melting, for lack of a better term...
Cheers,
Jeff
NP: Willie Nelson: A Classic & Unreleased Collection [disc
one] (I got this a month or so ago and only just now got
around to breaking the shrink-wrap! Sorry, Willie...)
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Subject: Re: Soft Sounds
Received: 07/03/99 2:34 pm
From: Michael "Doc Rock" Kelly, docroxxxxom
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Jamie,
While the Teddy Bears SEEM soft in my mind, a listen shows
that the lead voice sounds more like Diane than Gretchen in
parts.
No, Id say Gretchen "invented" soft rock!
IMHO
Doc
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Subject: The Fleetwoods
Received: 07/03/99 11:37 pm
From: David Feldman, feldxxxxerables.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Jamie said, in part:
> to be sure,
> it isn't one thing in particular, such as the
> productions, the arrangements, the musicianship. It is an
> undefinable emotional reaction I have to the overall sound.
Well stated! I've always been attracted to soft songs that
betray deep emotions without histrionics. In a different
kind of way, Willie Nelson does this effectively in his
ballads. But few have ever done it so beautifully as The
Fleetwoods. Besides the obvious emotionally-charged
candidates, "Mr. Blue," "Come Softly To Me," and "The
Great Imposter," I've always been a sucker for "
Graduation's Here." What wonderful vocals and arrangement.
It "gets" me every time I listen to it.
And the "Mr. Blue" album cover might be my favorite ever.
Jamie, Gretchen, or anyone: If I own the original albums
and the Rhino Greatest Hits CD, what else is in the EMI
compilation (which I don't think I've ever seen)?
Thanks so much for joining us.
Dave
Dave Feldman
Lake of the Week: Tahoe
Concert of the Week: Brian Wilson in NYC
Scariest Cast on Television: Real World -- Hawaii
Best Gender Survey on the Net: More than 40 new questions
at http://www.imponderables.com
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Subject: Re: "You" by the Aquatones
Received: 07/03/99 2:34 pm
From: Tom Waters, shangrixxxxom
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
"You" by the Aquatones is a terrific recording. Spector
was probably influenced by it when he wrote "To Know Him
Is to Love Him" but the latter is not too similar to the
former. "To Know Him" has a softer sound, while "You" has
more of an operatic sound (probably because the lead
singer on the recording had been trained in opera.)
Tom
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Subject: Re: VDP/Pet Sounds
Received: 07/03/99 2:33 pm
From: Derrick Bostrom, bostwoxxxxerve.com
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Spectropop List, of spectroxxxxies.com, wrote, on 7/2/99 12:04 PM:
>I'm looking for another VDP commercial for Ice Capades
>(or something like that), has anyone heard it?
That one could be found on the Warner Reprise sampler "
Record Show", whereas the Datsun music is on "Songbook".
(Or is it the other way around?)
Derrick Bostrom
bostwoxxxxerve.com
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bostworld/
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Subject: Re: Warwick
Received: 07/03/99 11:37 pm
From: Stig O'Hara, wuo0xxxx.se
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Richard Globman enjoys:
> 1. Do You Believe In Love At First Sight - Dionne Warwick
Who wrote the song? Bacharach?
T.
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Subject: Sunset Sound
Received: 07/03/99 2:34 pm
From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
To Mike Marvin, I didn't want to be wrong, so I didn't say
anything about Sunset Sound....but that's always come to
mind when I tho't about where we cut the Bob Lind "Elusive
Butterfly" recording (can't recall the drummer). Others
that come to mind (it was actually a lot of stuff cut
there tho') were "Feelin' Alright" (Paul Humphrey on drums),
Tutti Camaratta's "Trombone" lps, and things for the
Sherman Bros. ("Winnie The Pooh" etc., that had Hal Blaine
on drums for sure). Thanks for verifying my memory (too
lazy to look it up in the log I guess).
Big L: I played guitar on one of those BW dates, and
always tho't it was Ray Pohlman on bass. Brian did play on
their first things....but I never even knew he played bass
until very late 60s....when you record in LA, you never
sit and listen to rock and roll records. First of all,
there's simply no time, you're recording day and night.
And being a jazz musician, it was enough to record rock
and roll let alone listen to any of it.
Upon reflecting watching him play live on a recent film, I
tho't he had a great groove - played good for that kind of
music w/the group, tho' was not adept technically well on
bass.
He never told me he was a bass player, he always played
piano to show us what the tune sounded like before
retiring forever in the booth. Brian wrote out all the
notes for me to play except one lick I improvised on
"Calif. Girls". His notes were legible howbeit sometimes
the notes were on the wrong side of the stems, etc. things
like that.
Sometimes we had to re-copy his written parts to make them
a little more legible, but they were all his notes. And he
was always a pleasure to work for, very self-confident,
happy, talent-driven man who knew how to produce, treated
us with respect and (I think) wanted to knock us out with
his music.....he was absolutely a cheerful, very happy guy,
very great at producing and wonderful to work for.
We knew he had a gift and while we would create our own
parts for other groups mostly, Brian definitely had his
own fine ideas, he was exceptional that way.
Just can't understand all this downer stuff about him on
documentaries sometimes.....he never was that way at all
in the studios which was his "home" I guess to be himself -
he was just the opposite, happy, a great person to be
around, totally business, totally creative in the studios,
was a hard-worker....this "other" persona of him is totally
foreign to me.
He was like he was in the stuidos the 2-3 times he and
Marilyn came over to visit me also at my house (to use my
Niagara chair w/rollers and heat while Marilyn and I
chatted, watched TV together -- totally like a happy
married couple just "visiting" which people did in those
days).
I chalk all that stuff up at his home as "hey, he was
young & having fun, why shouldn't he play piano in a
sand-box, what's wrong with that?"
He absolutely LOVED being in the studios, loved creating,
took over the board once Chuck Britz set it up, Chuck
would twiddle his thumbs but be at the beck and call of
Brian (at his side) if he ever needed assistance (which
was sort of rare). And we enjoyed a good relationship with
him too....he'd put you on in a flash, had a great sense of
quiet stone-faced humor.
Yes, I'd say he played bass pretty good for that kind of
music (but had some pretty bad hand techniques that would
have given him problems soon). He had something that few
people really have to start with (and have to work hard to
get): a great sense of TIME and GROOVE.
The bass drives the whole band basically (not a pun), and
is responsible for the "basement" part of the function of
the band (like the drummer is the framework for the rest
of the rooms in the house)...the bass and drums working
together forms the foundation of a band.
If you remember (or research it), the bass player was
playing "dum-de-dum" back in those days.....I was
accidently placed on bass late 1963 when the bassist
didn't show up at Capitol Records (in my 6th year of
studio work on guitar) and just borrowed someone's Fender
Bass and played what I wanted to, which was a helluva lot
more fun than playing all that boring surf-rock stuff on
guitar.....
and started playing a lot of 16ths (latin, timbale or
conga type lines) which no-one was ever doing before or at
that time at all...it was "new" but I didn't care if no-one
played that before - that's what felt appropo for the music
recorded then. That's what I wanted to play and everyone
liked it.
Brian stretched out harmonically on bass parts, he heard
bass lines as part of a symphonic orchestra....and soon
was writing that way interestingly enough. No-one else
ever tho't that way for commercial recordings at all,
which makes him unique and he's still unique.
Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/
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Subject: PS....
Received: 07/03/99 2:34 pm
From: Carol Kaye, carolkxxxxink.net
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
You have to remember, we were all pretty young, just
getting going in the early 60s and the business was taking
off well by mid-60s. I remember working quite a bit with
engineer Bruce Botnick, who tho' still very young, had a
look and aura of promise as a long-term fine engineer.
He was nice, good-looking, humble, very sharp and quick in
his field altho' fairly "new" yet...you knew he was going
places. If anyone knows him, please give him my best
regards. It was always a pleasure to work with Bruce.
Carol Kaye http://www.carolkaye.com/
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Subject: Top Ten
Received: 07/03/99 2:34 pm
From: David Marsteller, davebxxxxlin.org
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Gee, what a tough assignment it is to pick my ten favorite
60s songs! I'm sure I would come up with a very different
list tomorrow, but here goes (in no particular order):
1) The Zombies-Beechwood Park
2) The Turtles-Somewhere Friday Night
3) Peter & Gordon-To Show I Love You
4) The Marvellettes-He Was Really Sayin' Something
5) Every Mother's Son-Rainflowers
6) Gene Clark-Is Yours, Is Mine
7) Timebox-Yellow Van
8) John Fred & His Playboy Band-Tissue Paper
9) The Jelly Beans-I Wanna Love Him So Bad
10) The Rolling Stones-Dandelion
Ask me tomorrow, I'll give you another ten. ;)
Dave
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Subject: I'm new...Midas Touch?
Received: 07/03/99 2:34 pm
From: Jill Mingo, mixxxxt.co.uk
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
Hello, List!
I just joined a couple days ago and am still finding my
feet on what goes on, but I'm hoping you might help me
with The Midas Touch. My DJing partner played a track
called "Viva" by this band tonight, and I thought it was
some pretty great 60s latinesque pop. On Decca. Anyone
heard of this band? And do they have music readily
available?
Thanks, Jimmy Bee for putting me on to this list!
Jill "Mingo-go"
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Subject: Re: Ice Capades, etc.
Received: 07/07/99 1:06 am
From: Stewart Mason, flamixxxxom
To: Spectropop List, spectroxxxxies.com
John Rausch wrote:
>Back to the oldies as jingles thread... Here`s a few radio
>spots I found while going through my cassettes that are
>quite interesting: Chunky Soup ...Chunky`s Back, using reworded
>"my boyfriends back"
That's a perennial for this kind of thing, since as my
brother Reagan and I discovered to our delight years ago,
you can put ANYTHING in that melody and it'll sound great.
One of our less obscene variants started "My boyfriend's
back and he's gonna beat your face in..."
And then Tobias asked:
>>my favorite [VDP] song [...] is the Datsun car commercial
>>off of a Warner Bros sampler album in the early 70's.
>
>Oh yes, that's a brilliant song! I'm looking for another VDP commercial
>for Ice Capades (or something like that), has anyone heard it?
Yes, it's on another of the WB Loss Leader sets, 1969
WARNER-REPRISE RECORD SHOW. However, it's just a pair of
twiddly synth instrumentals without much to them, so I
wouldn't go to terribly great lengths to acquire them if I
were you.
And finally, on a non-Spectropop note: one of my favorite
artists of the 90s, Mark Sandman, singer/songwriter for
the bass/sax/drums trio Morphine, died of a heart attack
onstage at a festival in Italy on Saturday at the age of
47. A Boston native formerly of the blues-rock band Treat
Her Right (you might remember their 1987 hit, "I Think She
Likes Me"), Sandman was a brilliant, inventive performer
and songwriter able to take Morphine's deliberately
limited lineup -- his bass had two strings, tuned to the
same note and played with a slide -- and create
surprisingly varied sounds with it, due in large part to
Dana Colley's Rahsaan Roland Kirk-inspired
two-saxes-at-once style and Billy Conway's off-kilter,
melodic drums. Sandman also had, bar none, the absolute
sexiest male voice in the history of pop music. They
released four albums and a rarities compilation on
Rykodisc and Dreamworks, and their 1993 album CURE FOR
PAIN is one of this decade's finest musical achievements.
Stewart
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