________________________________________________________________________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ S P E C T R O P O P ______________ ______________ ______________ ________________________________________________________________________ Dynamic High Fidelity ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 19 messages in this issue. Topics in this Digest Number 319: 1. Re: Marvin and Tammi's "Complete Duets" From: "John Lester" 2. Shanklin / Minogue From: Michael Rashkow 3. Re: Patrice Holloway From: James Botticelli 4. Sweets for My Sweet From: James Botticelli 5. The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth From: "Vlaovic B" 6. Cameron Crowe's Head Trip From: "David Ponak" 7. Re: Happy Stewball Everyone From: Steve McClure 8. RE: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth From: "David Parkinson" 9. Brenda Holloway / Tammi Terrell From: "John Lester" 10. Sonny Di Nunzio - Racket Squad & Fenways From: "Jeff Lemlich" 11. Can't Get Enough of You Baby From: "Jeff Lemlich" 12. Bonner and Gordon and Round Robin From: "Guy Lawrence" 13. Re: Garry Bonner From: "Jeff Lemlich" 14. Whatever Happened To Happy From: "Peter Richmond" 15. Garry Bonner/Alan Gordon From: LePageWeb 16. Re: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth From: Billy G. Spradlin 17. Love in New York From: Robert Tirado 18. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame From: Dan Hughes 19. Adrian Pride;Pat Boone (really); Tennors From: "Paul Payton" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:35:09 -0000 From: "John Lester" Subject: Re: Marvin and Tammi's "Complete Duets" Mike W wrote: > For the unitiated, tell us about the Spectrum recordings > and the live stuff available...also tell us what the > bonus track is on the new 2CD set ! The Spectrum release Cheesed off with a lack of new "old" Tammi recordings, a few years back the Brits started to badger Spectrum for a Tammi CD, initially to try and pick up some unissued recordings. Now at that time, "Lonely Lonely Town" (also unissued on Barbara McNair) and "I Gotta Find A Way To Win You Back" had been out (or were just about to come out) on compilation CD's but not a solo Tammi CD. Compiler Paul Nixon was allowed to use the "Irresistible" LP plus extra tracks and so those two afore mentioned tracks went on. I suggested Slow Down (a track la Ross did on Never Before Released masters) and Paul managed to twist Spectrum's arm with that one. My suggestion of the solo version Aint No Mountain High Enough as the seller track failed miserably when Spectrum interpreted that as wanting the duet version with Marvin Gaye. Perish the thought I should suggest anything untoward about those couple of good intentioned secretaries who handle things at Spectrum. Complete Duets The "Complete Duets" was done properly. Mr. Weinger knows what he's doing. Initially the intention was to put onto paper all the recording information about Tammi and to be upfront about when the tracks were recorded as duets (or as the case is, in the rare case that they were recorded in the studio together) or when Valerie Simpson took over. Well, doing that was complicated, because the information couldn't be put into a readily identifiable way and needed with post scripts all over the place. Further, Valerie and Nick Ashford remain true to the memory of Tammi and will never publicly say TOO much about what really happened. To the initiated, it is clear that something like The Onion Song is Valerie singing lead but not everyone is so knowledgeable. I understand that if you listen to the original multi-tracks (the ones where you can hear the voices alone) it is as obvious as distinguishing between Diana Ross and Martha Reeves. However, you can't issue mult-track versions on CD's for the general public (sadly!!). So what do we have instead? Well, although it is the Complete Duets from Marvin and Tammi, it DOES also include the Valerie Simpson tracks too and you need to get this compilation to hear the little extra "laughs" and studio chatter lines that show the good vibes Marvin and Tammi generated. As with all projects, there is a necessity to put on that little extra for the fans. Trying to find duet recordings on Marvin and Tammi is like almost impossible (the song Needle In A Haystack comes to mind!) cos Motown had basically issued everything a long long time ago when the partnership was riding high in the charts...with Tammi being so ill, the only way to get a duet track at that time was to get Marvin to add his vocals to an already Tammi solo recording or get Valerie to record the Tammi part. Well, you all know Marvin wasn't too keen on that idea (slight understatement but that's besides the point!). By sheer hard work, Mr. Weinger managed to find a bona fide duet of "We'll Be Satisfied" (done by the Temps on their excellent "You've Got To Earn It" Lost and Found CD - a classic CD if ever there was one) So there is still loads of room on the second CD, so what else? Easy peasy to put on the Tammi solo 45's but what about the rest? And bearing in mind that Spectrum had just put out the Irresistible plus extra tracks CD (well lads that is what scheming and dealing goes on behind the scenes!!! Hee hee).So there was no alternative but to put on the original solo versions of the duet hits. And Harry Weinger put on a lot. There are some right neat little solo recordings still to be issued. Tammi does a superb version of Caroline Crawford's "My Heart" for example. As a post script to the Tammi saga, Tammy Montgomery was her recording name until 27 October 1965 (Kissing in The Shadows (also Johnny Bristol) and There Are Things (also previously Ann Bogan) and then she became Tammi Terrell on 15 November with Don't Let Me Be Lonely. By the way, there was a duet Coca cola track and Harry was being very kind (and I though highly amusing) when he wrote on a Motown posting Let's hope that Coke will reconsider allowing this to be issued in the future. There is also the added and not disclosed "bookends" aspect to this CD. If you allow the first track on side one to play "Aint No Mountain High Enough" and then as soon as it starts you hit the rewind button and go back about one minute, you get take 14 on the band track...and then there is the last track on side 2. But hey, buy the CD please. You all know that if you don't buy these CD's then chances of anything more of that ilk gets significantly reduced for the future. (and no, I don't get a commission for ANY promotion) Live recordings - lets not go there. I could cry at what is not available to the public, and you would all be upset if you knew the amount of live stuff available generally...and Tammi is not the only person with lots of live stuff. I would like to think that the Battle of The Giants live shows might get issued one day...you know, the Supremes versus (ultimate winners) The Velvelettes, Stevie versus Marvin etc. But who knows? One thing is certain, there are enough unissued Supremes tracks to enable carrots (in the form of one, two or three and more previously unissued tracks) to be added to Greatest Hits compilations long after all of us are gone and forgotten about - and that is sad. Phew! You guys will now know that you don't ask me about Motown, cos I don't stop talking!!!!!!!! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:49:50 EST From: Michael Rashkow Subject: Shanklin / Minogue In a message dated 12/11/2001, > > MY WIFE CAN'T COOK by LONNIE RUSS was released on the > > small 4J label (#4J 501) late in 1962. It reached #57 on > > the Billboard Hot 100 early the following year. > > 19-year-old Lonnie's real name was Gerald Lionel Russ and > > he wrote the song himself. > So, not to beat a dead wife, but I think I remember that the arranger listed on the above entitled recording was Ray Shanklin. I have noted many mentions of Wayne Shanklin in various postings. What have these two in common besides the name? --- Also, does anyone know if Kylie Minogue is related to Dennis Minogue, better know as Terry Cashman of Cashman (Pistilli) and West? Mike Rashkow --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:10:47 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Patrice Holloway In a message dated 12/12/01, phouldershaw writes: > Wow - I never realised Patrice recorded enough for an > album at Motown. Does anyone have any track details? - > I've heard 'Those DJ shows' from one of the belgian > BELMAR cd's - and I think its fair to say she did a > better job on it than Diana Ross. Halfway between Diana and Mary Wells...Felice Taylor an octave lower with a rasp perhaps.... My .02, JB /and yes the discussion has really picked up. Loads and loads of useless trivia keeps pouring onto my screen and keep me coming back for more!! --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:17:25 EST From: James Botticelli Subject: Sweets for My Sweet In a message dated 12/13/01, Spectropop writes: > anybody got a picture of the Sweets How about the Sweet Things? I have a pic sleeve 45 of them...JB --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:57:26 -0500 From: "Vlaovic B" Subject: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth > Also, does anyone know if Kylie Minogue is related to > Dennis Minogue, better know as Terry Cashman of Cashman > (Pistilli) and West No but her sister is Danni! Is Dennis Australian too? I think I brought up the lovely Kylie's name in reference to her terrific cover of 'I'm under the Influence of Love'. Wonder where she (or her producers) heard that one! On the same note, I just recently discovered the Toys original (I assume) version 'I can't get enough of you Baby'. Any idea as to how Smashmouth found that song and covered it (rather brilliantly I might add) about two years ago and made it into a huge hit --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:32:51 -0500 From: "David Ponak" Subject: Cameron Crowe's Head Trip I just noticed that "Porpoise Song" by the Monkees is being included on the soundtrack CD to Cameron Crowe's new film "Vanilla Sky" How odd! (but cool) --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:56:00 +0900 From: Steve McClure Subject: Re: Happy Stewball Everyone Re: Happy Stewball Everyone: (to be sung to the tune of "Stewball"/"Happy Xmas/War Is Over") Merry Xmas, John Lennon, You stole an old song. You made it a new one, I don't think that's so wrong. Steve --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:00:14 -0800 From: "David Parkinson" Subject: RE: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth Vlaovic B wrote: > I just recently discovered the Toys original (I assume) > version 'I can't get enough of you Baby'. Any idea as > to how Smashmouth found that song and covered it > (rather brilliantly I might add) about two years ago > and made it into a huge hit I bet they remembered the Colourfield's version of it, >from about 1985 or so. This, of course, was one of Terry Hall's many guises, post-Fun Boy Three. David --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:19:20 -0000 From: "John Lester" Subject: Brenda Holloway / Tammi Terrell If you want to know anything about Tammi Terrell, Cal Street of the Velvelettes is the one to tell it. Cal and Tammi were about the same age and were really good friends...whenever I talk to Cal, the subject of Tammi always comes up simply because they used to spend so much time together. Cal was "sort of" interviewed for the new collection "The Complete Duets" which features many of Tammi's solo versions of the hits that we all know and love by Tammi AND Marvin. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:21:47 -0000 From: "Jeff Lemlich" Subject: Sonny Di Nunzio - Racket Squad & Fenways --- In Spectropop, Greg Matecko wrote: > Producer Nick Cenci pulled singer Sonny DiNunxio's > vocal off the track and replaced it with the Vogues. I believe Sonny's group was still known as The Fenways around that time. They did a cool version of Lee Hazelwood's "I Move Around" that somehow charted on WFUN in Miami in 1966. I also like their single "The Fight" on Blue Cat. > Sonny DiNunzio supposedly felt that this robbed him of a > national hit, but his R'n'B type vocals just wouldn't > have been the same, and the song probably would not have > been a hit. There was a bit of a payback, though - on the > Rhino Vogues CD, "True Lovers" was written by DiNunzio. DiNunzio and the Fenways did (in my opinion) a much better version of "True Lovers", released on Co and Ce under the band name "The Four Chaps". This version has been played at Northern soul nights through the years. It was the flip of a faux Merseybeat tune called "Will Ya Or Won't Ya". > The Racket Squad released two albums, and both have been > released on CD by Collectibles with bonus tracks. Check > out "That's How Much I Love My Baby" - that SHOULD have > been a hit! Great song, Greg. Not only did the Racket Squad cut this, but it's also on a single as simply Sonny DiNunzio. That, too, is getting some Northern soul spins. Jeff Lemlich --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:33:59 -0000 From: "Jeff Lemlich" Subject: Can't Get Enough of You Baby --- In Spectropop, "Vlaovic B" wrote: > Any idea as to how Smashmouth found that song and > covered it (rather brilliantly I might add) about two > years ago and made it into a huge hit I believe they got it from ? & The Mysterians. Jeff Lemlich --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:22:39 -0000 From: "Guy Lawrence" Subject: Bonner and Gordon and Round Robin Bonner and Gordon's "Whatever Happened To Happy?" was also recorded by the Mojo Men on Reprise, produced by Lenny Waronker and arranged by Nick De Caro (Van Dyke Parks was probably involved too), an absolutely spellbinding record! The Mojo Men also recorded "Me About You" as did The Turtles, The Lovin' Spoonful and Gary Lewis making the track something of a sunshine pop "Louie Louie"! Just got Mick's "Shoop Shoop Song" CD (for only £6.99!) and was interested to read in the sleevenotes that Yvonne Carroll released a duet with Round Robin. What was the track Mick? and where can I find it? Furthermore, has anybody out there got anything approaching a Round Robin discography? I have one album but I'm sure there were more. Hope someone can help - I'm a big fan of the Slauson Man but typing "Round Robin" into Yahoo just ain't getting me anywhere! Cheers, Guy Lawrence. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 05:14:47 -0000 From: "Jeff Lemlich" Subject: Re: Garry Bonner --- In Spectropop, "Phil Chapman" wrote: > There are two other Bonner/Gordon songs on this album: > "I'm With You" and "Whatever Happened To Happy". Are > there other recordings of these songs? The Mojo Men also recorded "Whatever Happened To Happy" on a Reprise 45. Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:20:36 -0000 From: "Peter Richmond" Subject: Whatever Happened To Happy Phil Chapman wrote; > This tune was recorded by Jackie DeShannon (prod & arr. > Jack Nitzsche) as the title track to a 1968 album. There > are two other Bonner/Gordon songs on this album: "I'm > With You" and "Whatever Happened To Happy". Are there > other recordings of these songs? The Righteous Brothers recorded the unissued "Whatever Happened To Happy" in February 1967, at the same session they had recorded two other Bonner/Gordon songs, "Melancholy Music Man" and "Don't Give Up On Me" which were released as a single on Verve 10507 and made # 47 in the Billboard chart in May 1967. This session was produced by Joe Wissert, arranged and conducted by Nick De Caro. I am not sure if these songs were actually written specifically for the Righteous Brothers as I have never heard of any others versions of "Melancholy Music Man" or "Don't Give Up On Me" but I have heard of a couple of other versions "Whatever Happened To Happy", one by Bobby Darin plus one by the Mojo Men on Reprise 0617. Peter. Righteous Brothers Discography --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 15 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:39:50 +0900 From: LePageWeb Subject: Garry Bonner/Alan Gordon Hi Everyone, Don't know a lot about Alan Gordon and Garry Bonner, except that I've noticed their names as writers of a heck of a lot of great pop records. There isn't much to be found on the web in terms of reference material, but I did sort of cobble together this little bit of info. They were a great songwriting team and lucky to have happened at just the right time - 1966 forward. Pure AM radio pop that morphed into what we all now call soft pop. They wrote some of the best examples of the genre. Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner were in a New York-based group called the Magicians that was active in 65 and 66. You can check out the Magicians tracks on a Sundazed CD at this web page: http://www.sundazed.com/artists/magicians.html There are three song clips there, and judging from the clips and the notes on the CD I guess their recordings are in a sort of jugband Motown groove (a la Spoonful) and jangle pop sort of stuff. One of the clips, however, showed the group's talent at harmony vocals which to my ears is a hint of what was to come. After the Magicians' thing failed to work out, Bonner released a solo single "The Heart Of Julie Jones," (prod. Jack Nitzsche! Anyone got this?). The record stiffed but little matter - after that Bonner and Gordon had a string of hits highlighted by one of the greatest songs of the era, the Turtles' Happy Together. During their busy peak period, the songwriting team discovered a group in New York called the Rahgoos, and through Koppelman/Rubin they inked a deal with Capitol. The group's name was changed to Gandalf (from Rahgoos to Gandalf - whatever for???), and an album was completed but not released until 1969 where it promptly fell into obscurity. In 1969, a '67 psychedelic soft pop album must have seemed completely arcane amidst the ever growing stacks of amped up guitar bands. There are, however, a number of Bonner/Gordon tracks on this album. I've never heard it, but apparently it's a big deal in soft pop circles with copies changing hands for big bucks. I bet others here have heard it. Anyone? You can check out more on this group at http://www.petersando.com Two other notable projects were the Lovin' Spoonful album REVOLUTION/REVELATION '69 (Kama Sutra) and Touch N Go by the Critters (Project 3). I don't know exactly why they got so many covers in such a short period of time, but it would be interesting to know that part of the story; that is, the publishing/song plugging aspect. Today their songs are co-published by Alley (Carlin) and Trio (Leiber/Stoller), but that doesn't tell the story, really. One thing I noticed; there seems to be a big Koppelman/Rubin connection in there somewhere. Does anyone know about this? That's about all I can tell you about them and I do hope others can tell more. I personally love their songs - those that I know of anyway - and to follow is a list of a few I particularly like or were big hits. Celebrate - Three Dog Night Fancy Dancin' Man - Pet Clark Girls In Love - Gary Lewis and the Playboys Happy Together - Turtles Jill - Gary Lewis and the Playboys Me About You - Lovin' Spoonful, etc. She'd Rather Be With Me - Turtles Small Talk - Claudine Longet, Harpers Bizarre, Lesley Gore Touch & Go - Critters Whatever Happened to Happy - Mojo Men Best wishes, Jamie --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 16 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:40:36 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: The line between Minogue and Taylor - Toys and Smashmouth --- In Spectropop, "David Parkinson" wrote: > Vlaovic B wrote: > > > Any idea as to how Smashmouth found [I can't get > > enough of you Baby] and covered it (rather > > brilliantly I might add) about two years ago and > > made it into a huge hit > > I bet they remembered the Colourfield's version of it, > from about 1985 or so. I dont know who recorded "I Can't Get Enough Of You Baby" first but the song was also recorded by the 4 Seasons on thier "Working My Way Back To You" LP in 1966. Like so many Seasons LP tracks it would have made a excellent single. But the version that everyone knows the best (at least here in the USA) was done by ? Mark and Mysterians in 1967 on Cameo 467. It should have been a monster national hit but was only a regional hit. And its the version that Colourfield based thier 80's cover around - right down to the combo organ riff. Billy --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 17 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 04:57:23 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Tirado Subject: Love in New York I will be attending Darlene Love's show here in NYC this coming Friday at Hunter. Hope to sneak some pics. R. Tirado --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 18 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:49:08 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame >From this morning's Washington Post: The Ramones and Talking Heads, two bands that helped define punk rock, are among the artists to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for 2002. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Isaac Hayes, Brenda Lee and Gene Pitney were also chosen. The announcement was made yesterday by Suzan Evans, executive director of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. The induction ceremony, scheduled for March 18, will take place almost a year after Joey Ramone, the Ramones' lead singer, died of lymphoma at age 49. The ceremony, to be held in Manhattan, and will be aired by VH1 two days later. The Ramones, the New York City-based quartet whose members all adopted the same last name, are considered the founding fathers of punk. Their sound was defined by Joey Ramone's yelp and the band's three-chord thrash. Bruce Springsteen, U2 and Patti Smith are among those who have been inspired by the band's sound. Talking Heads were contemporaries of the Ramones, but their sound was defined more by their experimentation with different genres, including world music. Quirky lead singer David Byrne, the band's most readily identifiable member, left in 1991. It's the first time the hall has honored members of the first punk rock generation, and voters pointedly snubbed Britain's Sex Pistols in favor of two New York bands. Hayes got his start as a sideman in R&B groups. Playing keyboard, he backed up artists such as Otis Redding, but later became a solo artist. He's best known for scoring the 1971 film "Shaft," with its funky theme song highlighted by his signature deep vocals. He's now a disc jockey on WRKS in New York City and the voice of Chef on the animated TV series "South Park." Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers mixed classic rock, folk and Southern rock for 26 years. Their hits include "Free Fallin'," "Don't Come Around Here No More" and "The Waiting." Lee, a smoky-voiced singer of the late '50s and '60s, is perhaps best known for hits such as "Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree" and "I'm Sorry." Pitney, a rock singer with country influences, recorded hits such as "Only Love Can Break a Heart," "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" and "It Hurts to Be in Love." Guitarist Chet Atkins, who died in June, is this year's sideman inductee. Atkins's unusual fingerpicking style influenced generations of other guitarists. The non-performer inductee is Jim Stewart, co-founder of Stax records. Sam and Dave and Otis Redding are among the artists who performed on the independent music label. --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:21:59 -0500 From: "Paul Payton" Subject: Adrian Pride;Pat Boone (really); Tennors Thank you, Andrew Sandoval, Stewart Mason and Michael Rashkow for your comments re: Kenny Rankin/Dion and Garry Bonner. Currently, I don't have a way to post music to this list - not yet that electronically sophisticated - but AFTER NEW YEAR'S, someone in the US who does can contact me off-list and I can get you cassette dubs to pass along to the Admin folks. (And Michael, I agree: Mick Patrick is either a walking encyclopedia, or knows just where to look!) Stephane Rebeschini: Once again, you nail it with Comfortable Chair. You don't have bad ears; I think that the CoBurt (MGM-distributed) pressings I heard of the Bernie Schwartz LP came from the same bad batch, because the harsh distortion is there - but MGM in that era was not known for quality control. Also, European pressings were known to be of much better quality. And the performances are excellent. I also didn't know that Bernie Schwartz was "Adrian Pride"; "Her Name Is Melody" on WB is another old fave of mine - beautiful "raga rock" written by the Phil Everly! On the subject of Phil Everly, Pat Boone (don't laugh!!) sang an exquisite Phil ballad on Dot, "Gee But It's Lonely," in 1960. (How much do I love it? I have two copies - wore out the first one!) I've never heard of a recording by Phil or the EB. Have any of you? Re: the "Happy Christmas"-Stewball-"Come Back to Jamaica" connection, early reggae records are a treasure trove of "borrowed" material, gorgeously misinterpreted and fed back to the world with that willowy beat. If you can find it, the Tennors [sic] were on a collection in the early 70's with "Weather Report," a one-line-changed remake of Simon & Garfunkel's "The Only Living Boy In New York" ("I'm the only living boy in my home town" in the reworking). Thinking in a similar vein, check out John Holt's "Holly Holy" on Shelter in the US, early 70's (and truer to the source); it seems to be the stylistic predictor of UB40. Country Paul --------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]--------------------